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There goes my bet of Klecko getting passes.

Only way he's getting thrown at now is if Koy Detmer comes out of retirement.

I'm going to be wrong about plenty of stuff over the course of 7 years, 8 years, or however long I've been here. Seth has been around longer and has been wrong a long, too. You're wrong quite a bit, too.

It's one thing to be wrong- everybody is wrong at some point. I was just noticing that you had changed your opinion to the point of stating my previous argument. There's a difference with that and just being wrong.

I'm not sure what you want here...a public admission of wrongness every time something we think wasn't right OR if our opinion changes over time?

I don't want anything- except for you to remember who's your daddy.

I can tell you that I've NEVER thought McNabb's accuracy was a strength. I don't think it's as bad as some other people do, but I know he won't ever be called a "pinpoint passer" by anyone in his career, so I don't know why I would have ever told you that.

To be fair, you never said "pinpoint passer", but you did say that McNabb had very good accuracy- and I disagreed with you. That's all. No biggie, we can move on.

I don't want anything- except for you to remember who's your daddy.

for no good reason, that made me laugh.

It's one thing to be wrong- everybody is wrong at some point. I was just noticing that you had changed your opinion to the point of stating my previous argument. There's a difference with that and just being wrong.

Yeah, but I don't remember ever saying anything other than he has good accuracy. By good, I mean average to above average among NFL starters. Not best in the league, not top 5, but considering the bottom half of the starting QBs in the league probably belong in Canada, it's not exactly an earth shattering statement.

Of course T.O. is going to make a QB look better by getting open, racking up yards after catch, catching some tough passes, etc. I don't think I ever would have disputed that, either.

It just cracks me up that you're always trying to "catch" me in some kind of slip.

f-dallas = Obamination
Fred = Rush Limbaugh

Next time I'm about to post a thought off the top of my head, I'll be sure to check in with you first so I can know if anyone here has ever had that thought before OR if you have any vague recollection of me having a different opinion over the last several years.

Far as I can tell, you're taking exception with me as some point saying McNabb had good accuracy (with "good" being about as relative as you can get without context), which I don't think I even recanted in my post yesterday.

What term will satisfy you if I'm trying to say:

"I think he's about a 60% passer, plus or minus a couple points based on his health and surrounding cast"

No need to get all worked up.

Taco Bill's crew is parroting what Brian Seltzer's saying - McNabb seems to have a shoulder problem and is on a "pitch count", with him being very limited today and not throwing for the last hour of practice.

Doesn't really matter, because we all know Kolb will be playing in at least 2 games this season.

Seth,

Frankly, fine w/ this.

Makes the competition at FB far more realistic and worthwhile.

They don't even use a FB. Now they acquire a glut of them? I don't have a problem with it, just think its silly if you use the FB for less than 15% of all offensive plays.

To expand on Bass's post (from Spuds):

In another corner, Donovan McNabb spoke about Strahan, and he talked about making the trip Sunday night to see the Lakers and Celtics square off in the NBA Finals, but what the reporters really wanted to know was why McNabb had such a limited role in Monday's practice. Kevin Kolb took the majority of the "team" reps with the first-team offense. McNabb really didn't shed any light on the reason, and while the speculation is rampant that there is something wrong with McNabb's arm, the veteran quarterback sure didn't seem all that bothered, either.

I haven't heard any whispers of concern. My take is that the Eagles want to make sure McNabb doesn't throw his arm out in the spring drills. I think the real test will come at training camp. The Eagles have five weeks off between the end of this camp and the start of practice at Lehigh University. If McNabb isn't out on the field at two-a-day practices, then there should be some concern. Not here. Not now.

In the meantime, Kolb continues to impress with great arm strength, accuracy and touch. I can't wait to see the second-year man in the preseason. Remember, he led the NFL in passing yards in his preseason a year ago, as a rookie.


Very strange. Glad to hear Kolb looks great (sounds like he'll be playing DT by next Monday).

Another nugget:

Shawn Andrews was excused for the day and the first guard off the bench was...Winston Justice. It's a non-contact camp, but that would lead me to believe they at least want to get a look at him inside in the pre-season.

With his build, I don't know how it would work out. He seems to tall/thin to play guard.

If McNabb isn't out on the field at two-a-day practices, then there should be some concern. Not here. Not now.

Don't agree with this, if only because what happens here (whether it be by soreness or something more serious) will affect what happens in 5 weeks. And NOW they're concerned about him throwing his arm out, after they came out of their mouths a week ago and said there were no problems? You'd think Cunningham was head writer with all the time they spend scrambling.

And they have to justify the Justice pick somehow. Maybe he can play guard, who knows? If he can't, you just slide him back with no worries (well, no more than what you have there already).

After lying about it for weeks, they finally admit McNabb has shoulder tendinitis and shut him down until training camp:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

June 10, 2008 | Last Updated: 6/10/08 10:32 AM ET
By: DAVE SPADARO

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

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I dont know about you all, but there seems to be a bit of "smoke" when it comes to this shoulder thing. #5 doesn't react well to injuries on parts of his body that directly effect his throwing motion. To me this is a very real, and big concern. Is any healthy quarterback getting his reps cut as much as #5 in the league?

Stop, Drop and Roll!!

Once again, if you want info on the Eagles, you gotta look everywhere BUT the DN:

McNabb still disarmed during workouts
By Bob Grotz, bgrotz@delcotimes.com

PHILADLEPHIA — Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb had to be held out of the most significant portion of practice Monday due to a sore throwing shoulder sources linked to lifting weights.

McNabb threw a couple of passes during the “team” phase of organized team activities — and not very well — before shutting it down.

Though the Eagles insist the soreness isn’t a big problem, the pain has persisted from the first minicamp, when McNabb was sidelined for the final practice and most of the preceding workout.

Teammates remarked that McNabb was in pain the first two practices of last week.

What’s known is Andy Reid admitted last week there’s soreness in the back of the shoulder of McNabb.

In the locker room Monday, McNabb conceded he’s hurting.

Asked if he had any concerns about the shoulder, McNabb responded “No.

“I know it will get better,” he said.

McNabb wouldn’t address follow-up questions, although he knows that only will heighten speculation about his fitness.

If there is good news, teammates close to McNabb who have seen him battle pain don’t think the shoulder soreness is as bad as the other injuries he has endured.
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Then again, no one felt it was a good thing for McNabb to have any type of arm or shoulder soreness just six weeks away from training camp.

“I don’t really see Donovan being too concerned about it,” Brian Westbrook said. “I think it’s more of a precaution than anything else.

“You don’t want to see a quarterback throw his arm out before training camp.”

Quarterbacks Kevin Kolb, A.J. Feeley and Casey Hansen divided the throws in the team drills Monday, Kolb getting the first-team repetitions.

The Eagles have found it almost impossible to keep McNabb away from lifting weights and doing extra with a personalized conditioning program.

This year McNabb has worked with a trainer who helped resurrect the Major League careers of pitchers Randy Johnson and Kerry Wood. Although he still plans to have his annual offseason camp in Arizona, it might have to be scaled back, if it happens at all.

McNabb grew the list of sidelined Eagles to three, as cornerback Asante Samuel (hamstring) and wide receiver DeSean Jackson (hamstring) also were idle.

I'm not overly worried about this. McNabb has been playing QB for the Eagles (off-and-on) since 1999 and is notorious for his work ethic. I don't think there's any reason for this to be an issue unless he's still missing practice come the preseason.

After lying about it for weeks, they finally admit McNabb has shoulder tendinitis and shut him down until training camp:

With the Philly News/Philly Fans sewing circle in full effect, you'd probably keep things to yourself until it was serious enough for you to change your process, too. If I'm a Philly athelete or coach, I wouldn't even tell the news what I had for breakfast unless they were sitting at Denny's with me at the time. No way. Too many rumors, too much chattiness, too much of a distraction.

With the Philly News/Philly Fans sewing circle in full effect, you'd probably keep things to yourself until it was serious enough for you to change your process, too. If I'm a Philly athelete or coach, I wouldn't even tell the news what I had for breakfast unless they were sitting at Denny's with me at the time. No way. Too many rumors, too much chattiness, too much of a distraction.

I don't really care, but when someone lies about something, I always wonder why.

If they just would have said "He knows the offense and we have a few months until the bullets start flying. His shoulder was a little tight, so there's no reason to push it." it would have been over and done with. It's just so funny that they go out of their way to lie about these types of things and wonder why everyone makes a big deal about it.

Westbrook hasn't practiced for a few days, Desean Jackson and Samuel haven't practiced because of "minor" injuries. They choose to lie about McNabb and finally admit they lied which, to me, just looks worse.

I'm not overly concerned, either. It's definitely something to watch, but unless there is something seriously wrong, you would think he has plenty of time to get it right.

Very strange. Glad to hear Kolb looks great (sounds like he'll be playing DT by next Monday).

This could just mean that Kolb looks great in shorts and a t-shirt.

Ube, I know about his "workout ethic"...but why does McNabb show up chunky after every off-season? He'll balloon up to 280 the minute he retires.

Agreed.

It's much smarter to come out and admit, "I'm experiencing a little soreness with my shoulder, but this is natural, and I'll be fine. I'm being held out of practice, purely to speed up the healing process. I'm not worried at all."

Instead, he initially lied, and now that he's changing his story to say this, you have no reason to believe him. He's the QB who cried "My shoulder's fine!"

I was agreeing with f-d.

By the way, you have to wonder if the Philly columnists pay McNabb for this kind of stuff to happen. I mean, he's an endless well of material.

The thing is, McNabb isn't allowed to discuss injuries. Reid, Marty, Banner, and Spuds all said - flat out - "There is no injury".

McNabb said it was sore, but nothing to worry about. Curtis said it was sore. McNabb was seen rubbi8ng it on the sidelines.

Marty said "No...everything is fine. He had a great day and doesn't have an injury". Spuds declared the "rumor" dead after a good day last week.

It's the team that's shady as hell here.

So the team is lying?

I guess this means they won't really run the ball more this year.

Shit.

uber1024
I'm not overly worried about this. McNabb has been playing QB for the Eagles (off-and-on) since 1999 and is notorious for his work ethic.

Fixed that for you.

Holy crap.

Holy crap... indeed.

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