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I'm not trying to defame Trotter at all...I just think it wasn't hard to trick him. Among all the talents and skills he possessed, I don't believe his IQ could be counted among them.

Hey, if new evidence comes out, I hope the Pats get punished again. I just don't think it's as big a crime as some others do and I don't think there's an end game.

If they really want to find out, talk to this character who claims he has a video and is shooting his mouth off in the media.

Better yet, go grab a few backup QBs over the years who spent a lot of time with the Pats and never made any real money. Tell them they are going to jail if you find out there was more going on and they don't fess up now. if you really want to know, threaten the weakest with the most to lose. Not the guys with millions and millions of dollars and massive amounts of legal protection.

Just look at Clemens...they didn't go after his wife because she has no reason to crack. they leaned on the nanny who cares a lot more about not going to jail than being a stand up guy for the Rocket.

I think it's all a moot point, EVEN IF the pats hand over tapes from years past that they used or if you believe Belecheat filmed but never watched I doubt highly they could be punished...

I hate Belecheat as much as the next anti-pats fan, but he is a smart guy. First off he was able to figure a method to actually do this and be very good at doing it(and don't think for a second the 31 other head coaches wouldn't have done it if they knew how to get away with it and do it well) PLUS I'm pretty sure there were no rules prohibiting this practice prior to the memo being sent out before this year began. so he didn't really do anything "against the rules"

He's addmitted to doing it in year prior and didn't think there was anything wrong, so IMO he checked into this to make sure there couldn't be any more NFL fines or sanctions.

BUT I would be willing to bet that the Pats will be watched much closer in the future in regards to playing around in areas not exactly allowed by the NFL...

Tattoo
RE: Supebowl Loser hangover?
2/14/2008 8:24 PM

I think it's all a moot point, EVEN IF the pats hand over tapes from years past that they used or if you believe Belecheat filmed but never watched I doubt highly they could be punished...



I hear Andy has tapes of Joseph Smith's wives in various compromising positions.

I hear Andy has tapes of Joseph Smith's wives in various compromising positions.

sec you've got that rumor wrong, it's Shuey and the WR coach that have videos of Reid with Reno... (I refuse to say that coaches name)

Tatt, last year Jackass had taped the Packers. There was a hush, hush investigation and a warning. During the offseason, the coaches discussed this and its illegality.

So, when it happened last year, he COULDN'T fall back on that excuse.

As for who wouldn't, Reid for starters. He's alot of things, but I don't think he'd do something like that.

Will this change anything? Outcomes-wise, no. But will it tarnish the Pats and many of the things they seem to represent - yes. They would be the second Roger Clemens of this year.

Jules, when I was said that this had not being against the rules I guess I wasn't specific enough, he was reffering to years prior to this year... he knew he was breaking rules this year which is why the punishment was so harsh. The memo sent out was as a drect result of his actions... Supposedly in the interview with Goodell he was upfront and unrepentant about doing this for years.

It's always been against the rules, but this year they really decided to enforce it.

As though the NYG's win couldn't get more annoying.

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I don't think that's annoying actually some of the lines were pretty clever and I laughed...

Done to M Jackson's tune "Beat it"
"went to the desert showing no class,
that's when the Giants whooped your ass"

That's clever?

Tell me you're writing a sit-com....

Get points for effort, but it's not even close to Weird Al.

point: Seth

Here we go...(E-SPIN):

A day after meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in Washington D.C., Sen. Arlen Specter said he continues to be troubled by a number of issues surrounding the league's handling of Spygate and will continue his investigation.

Specter (R-Pa.) told ESPN.com that Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) offered support on Thursday for his inquiry into the New England Patriots' questionable videotaping practices, saying Leahy is "prepared to have the committee pay for people who travel and investigate." Leahy sat in on a part of Wednesday's session with Goodell and league counsel, Specter said.

Sen. Arlen Specter, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, calls Roger Goodell's reasoning for the destroying of the Spygate evidence "absurd."
"I'm determined to go forward," said Specter, the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee. "You have answers and positions where [Goodell] is saying that with the destruction of tapes that, 'We did the right thing. We're absolutely sure.'

"Well, that is absurd . . . Goodell says things that don't make sense."

Among the issues that continue to trouble Specter are:

• Goodell's imposition of a penalty -- the loss of a first-round draft pick, a $500,000 fine to coach Bill Belichick and a $250,000 to the team -- before the Patriots had turned over evidence, including notes dating to 2002 and six tapes from the 2006 season and 2007 preseason, requested by the league. The Patriots were caught videotaping defensive signals from the sidelines in their Sept. 9 season opener against the New York Jets. The commissioner imposed his penalty on Sept. 13, four days before New England provided the tapes and notes.

"Did they know the scope of the wrongdoing before the penalty was imposed?" asked Specter, a former Philadelphia district attorney. "The answer is no."

NFL spokesperson Greg Aiello, in response on Thursday, said Goodell's hasty punishment stemmed from the fact that the Patriots had been caught at the Jets game and Belichick's admission that he had been taping signals since he became New England's head coach in 2000. Belichick reportedly told Goodell that he thought he was within the rules to tape other team's signals as long as the information wasn't used in the game at hand.

"[Goodell] issued the discipline as quickly as could to send a strong message to teams that this wouldn't be tolerated, and there'd be a severe penalty if you violated the rules," Aiello said. "The discipline included they had to turn over everything that had related to that taping procedure."

Specter heard that explanation from Goodell on Wednesday. On Thursday, Specter said, "The word absurd and ridiculous keep coming to my mind, because he [Goodell] says it with a straight face."

• Specter said it was unsettling to learn that the tapes, as well as notes, turned over by the Patriots in September had been destroyed in Foxboro rather than in the league's New York offices. Aiello said the documents and tapes were destroyed after they were reviewed by NFL officials Jeffrey Pash and Ray Anderson, and that the call to destroy the material came from Goodell, saying "There's no further use for it, so he said get rid of it."

Specter said the league's suggestion that the material, particularly the notes dating to the 2002 season, was destroyed because it might have afforded a competitive advantage is unbelievable.

"Everything has changed," he said. "Nobody could use those. They are scrap paper -- except evidence."

With the evidence destroyed, Specter said there is no way to tell what advantage the Patriots might have gained in the illegal taping practice.

• Specter is particularly concerned about how the taping might have affected New England's games involving teams from his home state in the 2004 playoffs.

In a preseason opener in August of that year at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, the Patriots and the Philadelphia Eagles played in what proved to be a preview of the 2005 Super Bowl, won by the Patriots 24-21. And in an Oct. 31 regular-season game in Pittsburgh, the Steelers beat the Patriots 34-20. Those two teams later met in the AFC title game, which New England won, 41-27.

Later Thursday, the Steelers released a statement that read: "We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a non-issue. In our opinion, they had no impact on the results of those games. The Steelers fully support the manner in which Commissioner Goodell handled the situation and the discipline that he levied against those who violated league rules. We are confident that the Commissioner has taken appropriate action in his investigation of this matter, and will do so again if new information arises which requires further investigation and or discipline."

• Specter believes the NFL hasn't gone far enough in its offer of legal protection to former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh, who has told ESPN.com that he has potentially embarrassing information about the team's taping practices.

The league has offered to indemnify Walsh against exposure to a lawsuit from the Patriots, but the proposal stipulates that Walsh must tell the truth and return anything he took improperly. Under those conditions, the team could still file suit against Walsh even after he turns over evidence to the Patriots and league.

"Matt Walsh is an important guy, and they have made it so conditional," Specter said. "All they got to do is say, 'We're not going to sue you.' It is not a big deal."

Specter said he has spoken with Walsh's attorney three times in the last two days and understands that Walsh is "scared." He said the Judiciary Committee could afford Walsh immunity if Walsh is ever summoned to testify at a Senate hearing. He described both Walsh and his attorney as "cooperative."

• Specter said he was concerned to learn from Walsh's attorney that an NFL security representative, Dick Farley, had been investigating Walsh. Specter said: "I confronted them on that, and Goodell says, 'Yeah, he [Farley] works for us. Yeah, he is a security guy, but we didn't know he was investigating him.' "

Aiello said Thursday that it is an overstatement to suggest the league is investigating Walsh.

"The only thing we're doing is looking at public records and trying to verify his employment history in an effort to learn about him," Aiello said.

Now THIS is funny (From PFT):

POSTED 3:24 p.m. EST, February 15, 2008

FORMER RAMS PLAYER SUES PATS

Not long after the Patriots were caught videotaping defensive coaching signals, a class action was filed on behalf of Jets season-ticket holders. (The current status of that action is unknown.)

Now, another class action has been filed against the Patriots based on published reports of cheating in connection with Super Bowl XXXVI. And one of the plaintiffs played for the Rams, whose final walk-through practice allegedly was taped secretly by the Patriots.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, former Rams player Willie Gary has joined with a Cincinnati ticket broker who attended the game to file suit against the Patriots in a New Orleans federal court. Super Bowl XXXVI was played at the Louisiana Superdome in February 2002.

The action seeks a full refund for all persons who attended the game. At $400 a pop and 72,922 pops, that's $29,168,800.

Also, the suit demands payment to all Rams players of the $25,000 difference between the winners' share and the losers' share, and of the value of a Super Bowl ring.

The lawsuit alleges that the Patriots engaged in fraud, racketeering, breach of contract, and violation of Louisiana’s unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.

At a minimum, the filing of this action means that, one way or another, former Patriots employee Matt Walsh's story will come out. He will be subject to subpoena via the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, and the subpoena will overcome the terms of any confidentiality agreement.

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