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The Birds are a couple of plays from giving the Pats their 19th win.

Spuds is a douche...

Not lacking in talent, coaching or intangibles huh?

Name one area of the game that the Eagles are at a championship level Dave?

Giants defensive line sure is and the birds don't have anything comparable.

"Name one area of the game that the Eagles are at a championship level Dave?"

Slapping their logo and selling shit you need.

At the beginning of the season I figured the Giants would finish last in the division.

I also figured that Eli Manning would never win a SB.

I rode em yesterday, took the points, and won a very easy bet. That's the good news.

Wasn't even shocked that they won the game.

I had mixed emotions about the win. I was glad that NE lost. Their not the class act that they want everyone to believe.

I was also sickened that the Giants won.

Seeing Eli hold the Lombardi trophy made my wonder will the Eagles ever win a fkn Super Bowl.

Will the Eagles ever even make it back to the Super Bowl before I fkn die?

Was this game a signal to the Eagles that they might want to start rebuilding? McNabb's trade value is never going to get higher but he still has a few years left.

If Kolb is the real deal (and f--k you for not finding out, Andy) then now is the time to put him in there and let him see what he can do without a ton of pressure to perform. Maybe even bring back Garcia to back him up (not sure what Garcia's contract situation is).

If I'm the GM of the Eagles, I would pull the trigger on a McNabb deal, try to trade for a young, elite receiver, and let Kolb have a shot while Westbrook is still at the top of his game while at the same time looking for replacements for Dawkins and (eventually) Westbrook.

The d-line is young and sharp, same for the linebackers. The secondary is decent but there needs to be an immediate replacement for Dawkins. I would use Sheldon Brown since JJ's blitzing scheme makes good use of the FS in run support and Brown does a good job there. So a pick or two used on CBs would be well-spent. That leaves replacements for Runyan and Thomas on the O-line and a fullback who doesn't suck.

If Kolb's for real you're in decent shape within 2 years and if he's not ... well, you'd be pretty screwed either way as McNabb gets older.

I think you have to make a decision either way:

If you want to keep McNabb, you absolutely have to heed the calls of the other players and get some playmakers who can put them over the top for one last run.

If you trade McNabb, you're sending the message that "we're loading up for the next 3 years", and you're admitting rebuilding, while wasting away the last gasp of a couple of great players.

I don't think you can keep McNabb and get no help and expect to win a SB, or get Kolb in the starting lineup and expect to win it all next year. Kolb will probably start games due to Mr. Glass at QB, but that's not the point.

Maybe you're right, Bass.

That said, I think the message they send to the team will be determined by the other moves they make...not with McNabb.

If they keep McNabb and don't add a certified playmaker on both sides of the ball, what message are they sending?

If they draft another O-lineman in the first couple rounds to replace either Tra or Runyan, what message are they sending?

I think that they send the message to the team based on how the rest of their off-season goes. If they deal McNabb, land an impact pass rusher with their first pick, add an impact CB/returner with their second pick, trade for Fitzgerald, franchise LJ, and sign a guy like Gibril Wilson to get them a little better in the secondary (in addition to the rook) aren't they sending a message that they believe they can win now and win with Kolb (provided he doesn't have to do it himself)?

aren't they sending a message that they believe they can win now and win with Kolb (provided he doesn't have to do it himself)?

I don't think so.

We all know that this year's draft will be irrelevant as to who contributes next year. So even if they draft a monster OL, move Andrews to RT, somehow recover Justice and fill out the rest of the line, it'll take a couple of years to really see the return. It just won't happen. Watching Jay Alford absolutely turn Brady into a lawn chair on the biggest defensive play for the Giants proves f4f's point that rookies CAN contribute, but we all know how the FO feels. Not to mention how this team feels about a good KR/PR.

That's why I'm thinking how you approach this season (and beyond) depends on your view of the QB. It's a tall order to change things around and expect Kolb to win the SB, given his obvious lack of experience and the fact that the good teams will take away other options and make him beat them.

"Will the Eagles ever even make it back to the Super Bowl before I fkn die?"



No.

No.

You are a cold blooded man...

GlennGoBlue
RE: what this super bowl means
2/4/2008 10:57 AM

"Will the Eagles ever even make it back to the Super Bowl before I fkn die?"



No.



I agree.

somehow recover Justice

nope, he's done.

GlennGoBlue
RE: what this super bowl means
2/4/2008 10:57 AM

"Will the Eagles ever even make it back to the Super Bowl before I fkn die?"



No.



I agree.

You guys are wrong... but if the question is will they ever win a SB before I die you might be right, but the NFC isn't really that strong as proved by the way the Giants made it to the SB, so the Eagles can make it back IMO fairly easily but winning is a horse of a different hue...

The Giants could've been the #2 or #3 seed in the NFC. It's not like they were horrible.

one thing i hope the birds learned from the gmen's success is you draft for this year. if i'm not mistaken, every giant pick was on the roster thru the playoffs, and made an immediate impact this yr.


this is contrary to the birds' viewpoint that " diamonds in the rough " to show the rest of the league how football savy you are

or....you draft players for a position that you know will still be filled by a veteran for 2 more yrs, while other immediate needs suffer.

i.e. lito, sheldon, barry gardner, ryan moats(bwest was gone if moats could have played ) , kevin kolb

Basically, the FO are like parents buying clothes/shoes two sizes two big cuz junior will grow into them at some point.

Whew...I was actually fully rooting for the Giants. I am supposed to hate them. They became a cindarella story for me. And yeah I really wanted the Patriots smirk wiped off their faces. God, that was sweet. And then it was bittersweet. Thinking how that could have been, should have been the Eagles. All the times the Giants fans have been treated to a win, the Cinderella team should have been a Philly team...And on top of that, they did it with the Eagles defense, and a head coach, Tom Coughlin, that I am convinced mostly lucked into it. And let's not discount the enthusiasm+luck factor. That miracle play that Eli pulled off to Tyreen.

So what does it all mean? That the Patriots weren't invincible. That the NFC wasn't that much worse than the AFC. That the NFC East is a good division.

My fear is that it proves the Eagles to be a bad-news choke. All the years they 'almost' made it. And didn't make it in some way by typically getting beat up. The way the Giants beat up the Patriots, the way their no-name secondary stepped up a the end, the way a rookie kick returner comes in the end of the season, you just get the feeling they won because they wanted it more.

The way the Eagles coaching abilities dropped off this year, you really have to wonder if they are up to next year's challenge, because they are going to be good teams twice a season.

And does McNabb really have the heart for it? He seems mostly fed up.

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