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1/17/2008 2:02 PM
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I don't know how good Garrett really, truly is, but this has to be considered a big win for Dallas.
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1/17/2008 2:12 PM
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I don't know how good Garrett really, truly is, but this has to be considered a big win for Dallas.
time will tell. the nfl is littered with "flavor of the month" assistant coaches.
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1/17/2008 2:26 PM
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Very true. I have to believe the Cowboys are better off with him than without him, though.
I can't believe Phillips takes all this disrespect like a little bitch, though. He's so desperate to be a head coach that he lets his boss promise his job away and gets paid less than his offensive coordinator?
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1/17/2008 2:58 PM
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"I can't believe Phillips takes all this disrespect like a little bitch, though. He's so desperate to be a head coach that he lets his boss promise his job away and gets paid less than his offensive coordinator?"
It all goes back to your "Make-a-Wish" analogy for Phillips. The Cowboys clearly functioned in spite of his presence. He's just a tard along for the ride.
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1/18/2008 7:39 AM
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On top of all that, why would Garrett leave a cushy position with a team that has a ton of prestige (and is about to open a new stadium, to boot) for a team with a puppet in the front office or another team that doesn't have his current employer's history?
It'd be foolish for him to leave, but him driving up his price wasn't a bad thing.
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f-dallas
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1/18/2008 9:02 AM
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Well, the Cowboys as they are currently constructed and their historical standing are a great spot for Garrett. No doubt.
However...he's putting a lot of faith in Jerry Jones. This is a guy who is so loyal to the current coach that he promised you the job right in front of him. This is a guy who did everything in his power to woo Parcells out of retirement, only to stick his nose in and go directly against Parcells in signing Owens. This is the guy who drove Jimmy Johnson out of town on the heels of back to back Super Bowl victories and promptly signed his old college buddy 24 hours later.
This is a guy who would eat his own mother if it satisfied his ego, so you're constantly going to be at the mercy of his mighty whims.
If the offense falters and some other genius coach pops up, Jerry could very easily go in another direction and the now cold Garrett may have to take another coordinator position, putting off his head coaching career indefinitely.
Look around the league and you'll find a lot of really good coordinators who missed their window to get the head coaching gig. Garrett is taking a calculated risk, but still a risk.
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1/18/2008 9:47 AM
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Have their been as many coordinators as highly touted as Garrett, though? Even if Jones throws him out on the street, some other team will probably pick him up, so it's not as if he'll be out of work for a while. I figure this might be the exception and not the rule?
And has anyone heard about Harbaugh yet? And can the Birds block a move like this if maybe they're thinking he might be in the running to (eventually) replace Reid?
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1/18/2008 9:49 AM
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I don't think they consider Harbaugh a realistic replacement and they can't technically block him anyway.
Hopefully if Reid goes, they'll gut the coaching staff, but my guess is Pat Shurmur would be the most likely candidate and Morningwood would be the most likely interim coach if Reid decided to care for children on short notice.
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1/18/2008 9:54 AM
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BTW, there was a report today that the Ravens are "regrouping" in their search for a coach. They are still considering Harbaugh, but may look at Martyball or Martyball son. In either case, Harbqaugh would still be a candidate for the defensive coordinator position.
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1/18/2008 10:18 AM
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On Redskins coaching news, they are currently interviewing Jim Mora Junior, Ron Meeks, and a third candidate who is unknown.
Mora stayed overnight in Snyder's guest house and is interviewing again today.
Please let it be Mora. Please let it be Mora. Please let it be Mora.
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1/18/2008 11:54 AM
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This is why Garrett should take a head coaching job while its available. Because even if its not the ideal situation, once you join the fraternity, no matter how badly you fuck up your first job, you'll be strongly considered for other jobs down the line.
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1/18/2008 12:24 PM
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Ding.
Then you turn around and look at guys like Jim Johnson, Monte Kiffin, etc. and see guys who ended up getting pigeonholed as coordinators when they waited too long to start applying.
Team want young, good looking, boy-wonders they can market and while Garrett will most likely be fine, he's rolling the dice.
Another case in point is John Harbaugh. Does anyone think he'd be going from special teams coach to very questionable secondary coach to a strong candidate to head coach the Ravens if he was 60-ish and had a hunchback?
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1/18/2008 12:33 PM
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Mora J?
Mora ownage by the Birds is more like it.
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1/18/2008 1:15 PM
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But on the flip side, those guys you mentioned are kinda up there in years, which probably factored against them into a "now or never" sort of framework.
I think Garrett is one of those guys that's young enough to still get a job, and someone out there stupid enough (regardless of how well he may or may not do in Dallas) will try to hire him based on his inflated rep.
And here's a stupid question - does he even "want" to be a HC at this point?
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1/18/2008 5:15 PM
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Can we please start a new thread. Its a new year already. I can't take it anymore.
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1/18/2008 5:20 PM
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Harbaugh hired by Ravens
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1/18/2008 5:30 PM
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Look around the league and you'll find a lot of really good coordinators who missed their window to get the head coaching gig.
i agree. and is the ravens job so bad? they have excellent talent evaluation for the most part, and that's more than half the battle.
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1/22/2008 5:08 AM
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Looks like Jim Fossil is interviewing with the Skins. Have they worked their way through the retread bin yet?
There is still talk of a mystery candidate, but no one seems interested but SportsCenter, which I accidentally caught a few minutes of last night.
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1/22/2008 7:44 AM
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Norv Turner taking the Chargers to the AFC title game was the third worst thing that could happen to the NFL coaching ranks (getting to and winning the SB are 2nd and 1st, respectively and obviously). Retreads abound and we'll have to hear more and more about recycled coaches from owners who've nary a clue.
You'd think that this would give me more confidence in the current coaching administration, but no...
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1/22/2008 10:46 AM
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Per Taco Bell's crew:
Though the two-week delay due to a Super Bowl appearance could prompt one of the two remaining teams with a vacancy to make other plans, a tug-o-war currently is on the horizon between the Falcons and Redskins for the services of Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
According to the New York Daily News, both teams are interested in Spagnuolo, the former Eagles assistant who is a first-year coordinator with the NFC champions. The Falcons reportedly are pulling the plug on their search until Spagnuolo is available.
It’s quite a rise for a guy whose defense gave up 80 points in the first two games of the regular season.
And we’re still amazed by the fact that assistant coaches with little or no experience as offensive or defensive coordinators are getting hired while guys with NFL head-coaching experience can barely get a sniff.
We’re not faulting the Dolphins for hiring Tony Sparano or the Ravens for hiring John Harbaugh or the Falcons and Redskins waiting for Steve Spagnuolo. But with five of the final eight teams in the 2007 playoffs being coached by guys who were once fired by another NFL team, it’s hard to justify not giving such guys serious consideration.
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1/22/2008 11:32 AM
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A year ago he was responsible for Matt McCoy, Totter, and Dhani...one of the worst groups of linebackers by the end of the year.
Now, he's being fought over for head coaching jobs. Crazy.
On another note related to coaching, Spuds is down at the Senior Bowl and he flew in next to Marvin Lewis. In his blog he said he talked to Lewis quite a bit during the flight and Lewis told him he was offered the Defensive coordinator job by Reid when he was hired. he drove his wife around, she hated the area/schools and he declined. He ended up staying in Baltimore (who were in the process of hiring a new coach as well), the Eagles signed Jim Johnson, and the rest is history.
Just makes you wonder, though.
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1/22/2008 11:56 AM
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It's just hype (some of it pushed by the NY media, no doubt). That defense was horrible at the beginning of the year, and depending on what happens in the SB, how is he not considered (if they want to go in that direction) for a HC job if/when Coughlin retires?
I mean, really - he's not presiding over the 2000 Ravens here, and the talent is making the system work, so it should be a compliment to their GM.
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1/22/2008 12:12 PM
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she hated the area/schools and he declined.
i see her point. gladwyne, rosemont, villanova, haverford, ... what dumps.
now baltimore and cincinnati... that's where you go to raise a family!
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1/22/2008 12:23 PM
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i see her point. gladwyne, rosemont, villanova, haverford, ... what dumps.
now baltimore and cincinnati... that's where you go to raise a family!
I was thinking the dame thing. I think what it pointed to, more than anything, is another failure of the organization.
How can you let your #1 choice as defensive coordinator go because of a misunderstanding about the schools and neighborhoods available?
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1/22/2008 12:34 PM
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How can you let your #1 choice as defensive coordinator go because of a misunderstanding about the schools and neighborhoods available?
there has got to be more to the story.
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