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5/17/2007 5:13 PM
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If they trade anyone it will be holcomb.
a.j.'s game against the falcons led to his new contract.
it has been noted that holcomb was just a throw-in to the spikes deal,though he's not a bad qb , given the fact that he's been chained to the browns then the bills , two disaster areas .
as to kj , no thanks , basket and avant will show much improvement this season .
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5/17/2007 6:29 PM
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I think they keep AJ. He's Reids guy, and a solid back up to a banged up #5. Kelly Holcomb is the man who would be traded, but the Eagles won't just give him away either. Here is my "out on a limb" theory......
They will keep ALL 4 QB's. I believe if the Eagles don't get a good trade offer on Holcomb, Kolb will get some weird shoulder injury(cough, cough) and needs to be put on the IR. This will let him study, learn and take reps in practice. It keeps McNabb from looking over his shoulder, and everyone is happy. Just a thought....
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5/17/2007 9:36 PM
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Not to be contrary, but i don't think that you're allowed to participate in practice if you're on IR. I think you're allowed to attend team meetings and study the playbook, but not practice on the field.
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5/18/2007 12:45 AM
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Who gives a fuck?
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5/18/2007 12:46 AM
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Sorry - was supposed to be:
All of tatoo's last post
Who gives a fuck?
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5/18/2007 7:42 AM
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they'll keep all 4 up until the trade deadline if they have to. They'll consider offers for Holcomb and AJ and they'll determine which deal, if any, they feel is better value.
The eagles run it like a business
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5/18/2007 7:57 AM
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The eagles run it like a business
And the most important part of running a business is making sure you've got the right people in the right spots.
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5/18/2007 8:24 AM
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AJ stays. One, because he knows Reid's system pretty well. Two, because he's a decent backup QB. Three, because Holcolmb just isn't that good, and I'd be surprised if anyone offered higher than a 6th for him at this point.
Putting Kolb on IR does nothing for him and the Eagles. It worked when you have a guy like Bloom who wasn't ready at that point to play in the NFL, but it would stunt his growth for a year.
PS and IR are pointless, so he's gotta be the 3rd backing up AJ. Especially since he's the future.
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5/18/2007 8:27 PM
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while i think if anyone gets traded its Holcomb, the funny thing would be if AJ got traded for would probably be a mid-round pick, the eagles would have gotten reggie brown and a future let's say 4th rd pick for a guy who's played 5-6 regular season games here, and not much more elsewhere.
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5/20/2007 2:37 PM
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I've been hearing rumors that the Birds are interested in Alex Brown DE - bears , who has been asking around for teams to trade for him ; even though he is currently signed....?
What's up with that ?
He's a 4 yr. starter for them and he's still a young guy .
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5/21/2007 4:51 PM
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5/21/2007 5:01 PM
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havent heard that rumor at all..
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5/22/2007 3:55 AM
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Kolb will get some weird shoulder injury(cough, cough) and needs to be put on the IR.
It wouldn't be the first time the birds did that, since when have you ever heard of a WR/KR being placed on IR for a hamstring injury(see Bloom) like the birds did last year...
and roachie go f**k yourself
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5/22/2007 7:28 AM
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Please let the offseason end soon. How about this for a stupid rumour?
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5/22/2007 7:39 AM
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I laughed out loud when I read that one.
The Eagles are going to trade one of the 5 best QBs in the game for a weakside linebacker? After they just traded for a weakside linebacker? And the weakside linebacker wants a signing bonus equal to the one they gave McNabb?
Really?
I'm all for rumors, but that's so far from believable it's ludicrous.
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5/22/2007 7:57 AM
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If that's the Yahoo rumor, I won't bother wasting bandwidth to check it out.
Jody Mac had a more plausible trade scenario (for those who wish McNabb gone on a rail) - trade him to Jacksonville for Rashean Mathis and their 1st round pick (I'd see if I could hoist another pick out of them, maybe a 4th).
I'd do that trade before I did the Chicago one (and not that I would do either one, but whatever).
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5/22/2007 8:27 AM
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I love how stupid speculation turns into a rumor. My friend yesterday asked me if I'd heard this rumor. It's just some hack filling up space, that's all.
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5/22/2007 9:42 AM
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Sheepishly perhaps, I gotta give a thumbs up to Spuds here on his stance on the Dumb McKee article:
Dumb, Dumb, Dumb: This Rumor Fails The Grade
May 21, 2007
It started as a fill-the-space "scenario" in the Sunday sports section in Philadelphia. A reporter named Don McKee, who has not stepped foot in an Eagles locker room in many years, if ever, tossed one against the wall to see if it would stick.
The embarrassing part, the evidence that there is too much media and too little going on right now in the sports world, especially in Philadelphia, is that it did stick.
And now some are actually, unbelievably of the belief that the idea of trading Donovan McNabb to the Chicago Bears for linebacker Lance Briggs has some teeny, tiny fraction of truth.
On the record, it doesn't.
Anybody with half a brain knows that. The problem is that we don't live in a world where that much brainpower is used.
McKee is not the one to blame here. He doesn't cover the Eagles. He doesn't profess to have sources within the organization. And in this particular case, McKee just had nothing else to write, so he figured he might get a reaction by making up a trade scenario in his mind.
If there is a criticism of McKee, it is that he just doesn't know his football, for he writes this line, one that every football person in the league would think is completely stupid: The question most Eagles fans are asking right now is: Why would the Bears make that deal?
Hey Don, I have to take a really strong stance here and tell you that no team in the world would trade a quarterback the caliber of McNabb for a linebacker. Nobody. Really, it is a completely foolish suggestion, in my opinion.
Anyway, the real beef I have is that this "nugget" gained some steam. And here and there since Sunday, the story has appeared in "rumor" form on some web sites and some Eagles fans are a little nervous about the idea and are asking if ... there ... is ... any ... truth ... at ... all to the story.
There isn't.
But this is how the media works now. Make a suggestion or say something out loud and suddenly you have a story. It doesn't matter if it is true. It doesn't matter if there are no on-the-record sources. Heck, it doesn't matter if there are no sources.
A story is a story and, these days, even the most outrageous fables are given legitimacy, if even for a moment.
That moment is enough for quick-trigger fans to have a reaction. Today, with the proliferation of television channels and web sites and message boards and text messages, all it takes is an unfounded spark to start a flame and then, well, you know where that goes.
And what do the players think these days? They surely hear the rumors and they are asked by family members who surf the Internet and log into the boards and see the headlines. Most players I know pay very little attention to rumors, but you wonder just how much they are able to block. Wouldn't it raise some doubt, maybe just a little?
In McNabb's case, there should be absolutely no doubt. The Eagles aren't going to trade him. They are, as a matter of fact, counting on him heavily to again be a franchise quarterback who will lead the team to a Super Bowl victory.
That is the focus of the franchise. That should be the focus of the quarterback, of the team, of everyone associated with the Eagles.
Rumors are vicious and rumors have no regard for the consequences once the stories start to fly. This latest story, this rumor, this untruth, has breathed too long now. It is time for it to die, and for all discussion about the "no story" to end. Now. Go away, rumor mill, there ain't nothing here to talk about.
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5/22/2007 10:13 AM
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Geez, with that vehement a denial, it almost gives the rumor more credence.
Besides which, it's called a rumor for a reason. Why is Spuds getting so friggin' worked up about it? Some other reporter getting more attention than him?
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5/22/2007 10:33 AM
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Spuds absolutely had to that, and he did a good job of crushing it. This is the kind of bullshit the McNabbs obsess over. Even though Spuds did everything possible to prove that this was just one lame columnist's empty assertion, you just know the McNabb family has scribbled this non-rumor onto the long list of reasons why the entire Delaware Valley is out to persecute McNabb and ruin his life, eagerly looking forward to the day when they can all piss on his grave.
As for why this rumor got started, it's called business. You make money on the Internet by generating hits, and Yahoo was very smart to start putting these bogus rumors in prominent places. They're up front about them being rumors, so they don't need to be based on any shred of truth, but they will generate a huge amount of attention and clicks. Yahoo scored big time on this one.
There is one thing I disagree with in Spuds' manifesto:
They are, as a matter of fact, counting on him heavily to again be a franchise quarterback who will lead the team to a Super Bowl victory.
The Eagles are not counting on McNabb to lead to the team to a Super Bowl victory. They are merely counting on McNabb to lead the team to a competitive season. Ever since Reid took over, this franchise has never tried to win a Super Bowl. After all, why win now when 2014 is right around the corner?
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5/22/2007 10:34 AM
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But it's not a rumor. That's the point of SPuds' article. It's a writer just laying out some (poor) ideas, and other outlets picking it up and saying it's a rumor.
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5/22/2007 10:47 AM
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From Dictionary.com:
ru·mor /'rum?r/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[roo-mer] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war.
Certainly seems to fit the definition of rumor to me.
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5/22/2007 10:51 AM
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Yeah, there was certainty to the facts, b/c he didn't speculate it could happen. He said "why not...", and then other sites acted as if there were sources involved.
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5/22/2007 11:17 AM
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Spuds is right - anyone with half a brain knows the Eagles/Bears wouldn't be so boneheaded as to make a trade like that. If you also consider that LB isn't one of the positions the Birds value, why on earth would they trade their most valuable asset for one?
It's insane. The more you think about it, the more insane this trade is. At least if it were something similar to what JM pointed out, then it MIGHT have a shred of credibility, or at least some common sense.
And Talon's right - this is just another clipping that the McNabb clan can show after's he's left Philly, as to why he didn't like it here.
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5/22/2007 11:32 AM
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KB stole my thunder on this, but he is right - this is not a rumor. there is a big difference between a reporter with inside sources writing what he has heard around the team than a "here's a thought..." type article.
for any other outlet to pick that up and pass it off as anything resembling actual news is complete fraud.
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