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I didn't watch much, and the penalty could have been bad. But it's a fairly constant theme from you, and I just never understand why you work the conspiracy theories and outside influence in. It's just a bad call, nothing more, nothing less. I promise you that NBC execs are at home watching in their Rangers or Flyers inflatable chairs after putting their kids to bed in matching Underoos.

Common theme- DING DONG YOURE WRONG.


Im not working conspiracies EVER.

there is an undercurrent of 'dislike' for how Canadians view Philly hockey- as proven by the comments for the caps/philly series before that started- and those were posted here. way off mark, way 1974 take on Philly despite it being a totally dif. team.

Tonite wasnt just 'a bad call'.

Canada's team was down 3-0 in the third and the calls were either egregious errors or tryin to get em back in the game.

A bad call Glenn is a 2 min minor thats sketchy.


A FIVE MINUTE MAJOR in which the Habs could conceivably score all three goals needed to tie (or worse) when it was called definately raises eyebrows- if you dont believe us here- just watch ESPN----

A national reporter asked Briere if he feels they got unfavorable treatment cos they're playing canada's team.
Now- if its a conspiracy- why the national media addressing both the horrible calls and the daunting task of facing the overwhelming favorite (despite you not having heard any of the talk apparently - per your posts eariler in this thread).

Right, because this series is the first time I've ever heard you start talking the "Everyone is against us" theme.

On a side/more important note, tonight's win brings up at least the POSSIBILITY for the first time....

Possibilty for what?

You know what...just can't say it....

I have no idea what you are talking about. Honestly

GlennGoBlue

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Right, because this series is the first time I've ever heard you start talking the "Everyone is against us" theme.






Just an outright lie

I routinely make fun of the flyer fans and the brutal calls (shows how long ive been this way- back to when i used to listen to WIP) to the radio station in town, the whining about conspiracies etc.

You're full of it and have NO basis for that claim, in the face of my flat out denial.

You CAN watch a game & take note of some calls my man- without being a conspiracist as you SO ERRONEOUSLY try to peg me as.

In fact- when everyone was complaining about the call in game 1, I kept saying over and over how nobody should really utter a peep, as the Caps fans still are likely in disbelief that their season ended on a PP in OT in a Gm 7.

I am not even saying it's always Philly-centric, just that you often seem to add in some sort of motivation for refs calls and subtle influences on why they make them.

Wow.

OK.

Look, if you think so, fine.
I know I hate the Philly announcers on the radio for Flyers games cos they;re the only team in the world as bad as the TV broadcasts.

Im not like that- but whatever, not worth arguing over.

I'm with Neag about this, GGB. Possibility for what?

I did hear Barry Fuckrose saying that the Flyers were lucky and that this was going seven games and that they wouldn't win.

Why would he say that? I never felt that the Habs really outplayed the Flyers. I don't count the end of this game or game one as realistic since most teams tend to play more conservative nursing a lead. I saw NOTHING to tell me they were being outplayed. Screw Melrose.

After the whole NBA thing with the refs, why is a conspiracy so far-fetched anyway? I've seen numerous non-calls in this series, the Buffalo series a couple of years back, the Lightning series in 1996, etc. Had no complaints about numerous series including the infamous 3-1 series lead against the Devils. Just unlucky and outplayed. Or Detroit's sweep in 97. Just saying not everyone is of the mind that there are "conspiracies" but this does reek of bullshit when I look at several non-calls and several weak calls. Even the Caps got away with more than a few boardings and cross-checks that went uncalled. Didn't feel sorry about the second goal that moved game 7 to overtime since enough bullshit calls were already missed.

I didn't have a problem with the boarding call. Hatcher is a moron for going after the guys neck. It could have been a serious, serious injury. And what was Richards thinking by poking the nub of his stick on Halak's face on the fly-by?

This team is playing stupid and lucky.

Jules, they were outshot by 20 and the Canadians hit a few posts. The Flyers got no shots on goal on their power play. How can you say they weren't outplayed?

Zak, I said they were in the 3rd. My impression was that they were playing conservative to hold onto the lead.

I agree, the rubbing out of the Hab on the boarding was harsh by Hatcher. Saw it again this morning.

OK but in the first Montreal hit two posts, had a breakaway, and a flubbed chance by Higgins. Flyers didn't really have any quality chances like that.

In the second the Flyers didn't get a shot on net til Upshall's goal which was 9 minutes into the period. They basically outplayed them for five minutes after that, and that was it.

Biron outplayed the rookie, but everything else was in favor of Montreal except the final score.

Zak, I watched most of the game and realize that the scoring chances were most dangerous for Montreal. In the first, there was the pile-up with the loose puck in front of Price that was dangerous for the Flyers. There was one other one later in the first.

However, it wasn't as if Montreal kept the puck in the Flyers zone all night or that all the Flyers passes were errant or that they did a bad job of cycling the puck deep in the Habs' zone or couldn't carry the puck up the neutral zone. That is what I meant. In game 6 and 7 against the Caps, I don't feel that the Flyers were doing as well (mostly in game 6 but for stretches in 7).

Talk about whine!

Is there even a point to this article?
linc

I had a very different take on the game. I remember very few times when the Flyers were able to set up offensively and move the puck around, especially on the power play where they got zero shots. They had problems in center ice getting any sort of flow. They would be able to get the puck deep often but Montreal was able to beat the forecheck with no problem. Until they scored in the second, it was a very ugly game both ways, but Montreal at least had lots of chances.

Anyway, glad they won. Go team.

I thought the Flyers got outplayed last night, and the Habs' netminder gets as much credit for the Flyers' win as Biron

Dear Hockey G-ds,

Please continue to pour your astonishing and bountiful blessings upon on our noble and graceful Flyers.

And may ye continue to curse those vile Canadians with post shots, shitty goal tending and bouncing loose pucks in front of Flyer empty nets.

In your precious name we pray,
Amen.

Pretty much every guy in the locker room in the post-game interview said they couldn't keep playing like that, which means they knew they were totally outplayed.

Zak in hockey it's called a "dressing room"

NEAG- how can their goalie be as responsible for the win?

Price looked rattled (again) and left the game.

And then after that- how many shots did Philly register the remainder of the game?

I agree with whomever said it looked as tho they were tryin to hold on to win.


Ya wanna penalize Hatch? Fine. The major was horrible. And Downie does Philly no favors with 1st a pre game yap session at center ice, and then the stupid penalty takin Price's skate out from under him.
I like that guy but im not sure why?! Honestly.


Now, everyone on here knows Sam Donnellon has never been a cheerleader where the Flyers are concerned, and penned a couple pieces towards the end of the year that were casting their chances of postseason play in a dismal light.
But I found this a pretty solid read.

Sam Donnellon: Are the Flyers playing Canada's team?
By Sam Donnellon
Philadelphia Daily News

Daily News Sports Columnist

DERIAN HATCHER has arguably been the Flyers' best defenseman in the playoffs. If not, then Kimmo Timonen has. So far in this series with Montreal, we have seen a sucker punch with intent to injure on Timonen go unpunished, and in last night's harrowing 3-2 Flyers victory, we watched Hatcher get thrown out of the third period of a playoff game for a boarding penalty that occurred almost simultaneously with Tomas Plekanec's blatant attempt to injure the Flyers' R.J. Umberger by taking out his knees away from the puck.
Oh, yes, there was that phantom call on Mike Richards that led to the Canadiens' overtime win in Game 1, and that Montreal goal in the same game that seemed to be scored by a high stick.

And all that before the Canadiens trailed in this series.

Can't wait to see what's in store for tomorrow night.

This series is just three games old, and already there is way too much circumstantial evidence to support the perennial theorem embraced in the lower 48 at this time of year.

Namely, that Canada looks out for its own.

It's not just the yahoos in the upper levels who believe this, or the bias of announcers paid by the club. Chris Therien, Canadian-born, spoke on Comcast SportsNets's "Daily News Live" yesterday of strange calls made when the Flyers played the Maple Leafs in the playoffs, expressed the belief - nay, conviction - that he and his team felt they were playing Canada's team then.

Sunday, after Canadiens coach Guy Carbonneau suggested Timonen deserved his cheap shot for celebrating a clinching goal in Game 2, Flyers coach John Stevens hinted not so subtly that such a play, and such a statement, would not be celebrated if uttered by him, or made by one of his players - say, Steve Downie. It sounded as if he, too, believed in this Canada's-team concept, but after surviving last night's hairy third period, he kept his lip as stiff as a puck.

"Do you feel you're going up against Canada's team?" he was asked.

"That's why you guys get paid the big bucks," he said with a smile. "We're trying to win a game against the Montreal Canadiens, and we have to play better from a discipline standpoint. The bulk of their opportunities came on the power play."

Their power play took up nearly 20 percent of the game. Stevens did let his hair down a bit when discussing the unfair treatment of Downie, who, if he wasn't skating toward the penalty box, was sitting in it. Downie not only had to sit through his three penalties, but he was chosen to sit out the evicted Hatcher's as well.

They should let him bring some magazines next game.

Downie is no angel, but it doesn't seem right that he can get sent off for trying to dig a puck out of goalie Carey Price's skate (Price fell), yet be subjected to a pummeling at the side of Montreal net while the referee watches indifferently on the side.

Maybe this kind of treatment is what has made him so angry in the first place.

Anyway, the bitter irony of last night's too-close-for-comfort Flyers victory is that Hatcher gave Francis Bouillon a boo-boo, but left him in good enough shape to take a crosscheck to the back after the whistle blew. Umberger needed help to get off the ice, although he, too, was able to play the remainder of the game.

Hatcher was not. And that made those 10 long minutes after the Canadiens scored two power-play goals excruciatingly long, and seemingly unfair. Was it a 5-minute major? That in itself was worthy of debate. But dispatching him for the game took away a guy with one of playoff's best plus-minuses, a guy who has been integral to Martin Biron's playoff success.

Without that, you might be looking at tomorrow's game as a fight for survival, and not an opportunity to put both thumbs on the throat of an entire, desperate country. Without that, Ed Snider might have already found his way to the referee's room by now.

So what about this conspiracy theory, Marty?

"No, I don't think we're up against Canada's team," he said. "I'm sure that because they're the last Canadian team standing, a lot of people in Canada are rooting for them. But I don't think we're looking at it as the league and Toronto and all that. Because it's really not.

"We're going to face adversity in a lot of different forms. One thing I learned watching a lot of playoff hockey is it's not always going to be calls going your way." *

My bad.

NEAG- how can their goalie be as responsible for the win?

Because the goals he let in were as soft as a baby's bum

Here is what they are saying in the papers up in Montreal.

Enjoy.

Price supplanté de nouveau par Biron
Marc de Foy
Le Journal de Montréal
29/04/2008 04h58

Le but de R.J. Umberger (20) s’est avéré être celui de la victoire.

© Le Journal de Montréal, Olivier Jean


Le face-à-face entre Carey Price et Martin Biron ne se déroule pas du tout comme prévu.

Avant le début de la série entre le Canadien et les Flyers, tout le monde s'accordait pour dire que Price était supérieur à Biron, malg ré sa cour te expérience. Mais ce n'est pas ce qui se passe.


Après trois matchs, force est d'admettre que Price n'arrive pas à la cheville de Biron qui, encore une fois hier soir, a été l'inspiration des siens dans une victoire de 3 à 2 au Wachovia Center.


Envers et contre tous, les Flyers ont pris les devants, 2 à 1, sur le Tricolore dans cette demi-finale de l'Association de l'Est qui se poursuivra demain soir à Philadelphie.


S'il n'y a pas encore lieu de paniquer, les troupiers de Guy Carbonneau ne se retrouvent pas moins dans une position fort inconfortable.


Disons qu'une victoire dans le quatrième match serait un bon tonique pour le moral des troupes avant de revenir à Montréal.


Trois buts sur six tirs


Mais revenons à Price. La recrue de 20 ans a connu une deuxième période difficile pendant que ses coéquipiers continuaient à dominer le jeu.


Déjoué trois fois sur les six premiers tirs des Flyers dans cet engagement, il a été remplacé au début du troisième tiers par Jaroslav Halak, dont il s'agissait de la première présence dans un match depuis un mois.


Le Canadien a profité d'une pénalité de cinq minutes au vétéran défenseur Derian Hatcher en troisième pour réduire l'avance des Flyers à un but grâce à des filets d'Andrei Markov et de Saku Koivu en l'espace de 72 secondes.


Une autre supériorité numérique lui a été accordée avec six minutes à faire en troisième, mais les Flyers ont tenu le coup tant bien que mal.


À la fin du match, le chiffre des tirs était de 34 à 14 en faveur du Canadien pour un total de 70 à 37 dans les deux dernières rencontres.


Mais la marque penchait de nouveau en faveur des Flyers.


Pas de commentaires


Price a mal encaissé le coup. Il a refusé de se présenter dans le vestiaire après le match pour répondre aux questions des journalistes.


Pour leur part, ses coéquipiers se sont portés à sa défense, ce qui était prévisible.


«Je ne pense pas qu'on puisse blâmer Carey», a déclaré le vétéran défenseur Roman Hamrlik.


«L'équipe doit mieux jouer, moi le premier. On a connu encore un mauvais départ en accordant les trois premiers buts.


«Dans les deux premiers matchs à Montréal, on accusait un déficit de deux buts avant de revenir dans la rencontre.


«On a eu nos chances en première période, mais on n'en a pas profité. On a bousillé notamment une supériorité numérique de deux hommes de deux minutes.»


Encore des chances ratées


Comme dans le deuxième match samedi dernier à Montréal, le Canadien a frappé le poteau à deux reprises en première sur des tirs de Markov et de Maxim Lapierre.


En sortant du banc des pénalités, Koivu s'est pour sa part présenté seul devant Biron qui a harponné la rondelle avec son bâton, un truc que Johnny Bower effectuait à perfection avec les Maple Leafs de Toronto dans les années 1960, se rappelleront les amateurs qui ont vécu l'époque de la LNH à six équipes.


Il y a eu aussi cette double supériorité numérique de deux minutes dont Hamrlik a fait état.


Fauché par Downie


Avec deux minutes à faire à la période initiale, Steve Downie a fait trébucher Price en tirant sur sa jambière gauche avec son bâton, ce qui a provoqué une échauffourée.


On ne sait pas si cet incident a dérangé Price, qui a perdu son masque lors de cette séquence, mais il n'était plus dans le coup en deuxième.


Ryan O'Byrne lui voilait partiellement la vue sur le premier but inscrit par Scottie Upshall, mais le tir aurait pu être arrêté.


Price a mal paru sur le but suivant réussi par Mike Richards au cours d'une infériorité numérique et n'a pas paru beaucoup mieux sur celui de R.J. Umberger dans les derniers moments de la période médiane.


Cette défaite est la première du Canadien en séries à Philadelphie depuis le 4 mai 1987. Il présente maintenant une fiche de 9-2 au domicile des Flyers dans les séries.



linc

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